“If we compare with what happened in Northern Ireland, we saw the IRA finally reform and form part of the future of the state and became a political party which was involved.”

“It’s way too early to tell if Hamas could do the same but there are definitely examples in history where this has happened so I wouldn’t discount it.”

“I’m different to you in that I don’t have these statements that are very finalistic. Different things can happen. We need to start talking now about the future and what it can hold. One thing everyone has recognised, or which I haven’t seen much dispute on, is that the best way to secure Israel’s security is to have a viable Palestinian state.”

While acknowledging that the wounds of 7th October are still too raw, with not all hostages released, Frazier said there are “processes” through which Hamas could morph from a terror group into a legitimate political group.

“I don’t think they will still be called Hamas – as I said, the IRA is no longer called the IRA but there’s a political party that stemmed out of it. There are processes through which this can happen with a thorough reconciliation processes.”

“But this is why I say never say never. We have seen it, it has happened, and it could be a process that could happen here but there are still daily victims of the initiation of this conflict.”

Frazier recently spearheaded a successful United Nations Security Council resolution that calls for humanitarian pauses to facilitate the provision of essential goods and services.

“Negotiating a resolution during a war is very difficult,” she said.

“We knew we had a narrow landing strip and had to land this plane right there in the fog. It was to be purely operational, and focused on the humanitarian needs of children. We noticed that all the UNSC countries converged over here, albeit with nuances, so we kept it focused and operational.”

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